Clothes make the man
Kaptain Kobold Year peak
I like it, both of the pictures. Nice concept.
It’s funny how a suit and tie, or a dress, influence the perception of gender. (I did domething similar here, though less serious and that was with a suit made for women)
Gender, roles, images, and perception fascinates me. Along similar lines is how I’ve noticed that even when men are dressed (and can pass) as women, I can still tell that they’re male and still "feel" them, attraction wise, as a male. They don’t "feel" female to me. As someone who finds gender roles confusing and tedious (in society) you would think I would find the sexual side of gender to be ambiguous as well, but I don’t. Men are men, women are women. Even when they take on the "shell" of the other. I’ve not been around enough transgender people to know how far this goes, btw. Anyway, just my impressions for what it’s worth. Interesting topic. And yes, Rachel does look better in that than you do. I’m curious where Catherine’s feelings lie. I find Gary’s red dress picture incredibly hot…because I find him attractive…even when gender bends. Interesting.
I know what you mean about still perceiving people as ‘male’ and ‘female’, although perception does shift as someone transitions into living as one gender from the other. The link between sexual attraction and gender identity is very complex, and I certainly can’t explain it. Regardless of how I choose to identify, I’m attracted to women, and only to women, but that includes being attracted to images of an attractive and convincing crossdresser, for example. The attraction is less so in person – the perception of someone as ‘male’ kicks in, and overrides my brain’s natural tendency to find the female image attractive.
The idea of finding yourself hot is a strange phenomenon as well. But consider this; when I dress I have created an image for myself – within the limits imposed by my body I can choose certain aspects of how I look, and I can certainly choose how I dress and make up. Obviously I try to look attractive, but to some extent the male side of me decides what that is. It is also fooled subconsciously – as I said above, I’m attracted to a female image, and my brain will kick in and may find such an image attractive even if consciously I know it’s my own reflection. Mind you, Rachel’s nose is too big for my tastes, but I have to say she looks pretty hot from some angles and certainly has good taste in clothes
As for Catherine – she prefers me as a guy. Rachel does nothing for her, aside from the fact that she knows that underneath the ‘shell’ it’s still me. I won’t go into details, but we do interact slightly differently when I’m Rachel than we do for the 95%+ of the time I’m Alan.
I hope some of that makes sense without sounding too weird
Very Victor Victoria.
Now I know what I would look like in mens clothes!
what a great idea…fun conversations as well. Good job with the double (Im assuming a mirror but you never know with photoshop things etc. Anyhow…..bravo for giving this a try and telling us how yu felt. *
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/8434883@N05] : Any time you want to borrow the suit
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/joycespics] : It is, indeed, a mirror – floor to ceiling mirrored built-in wardrobe in the bedroom.
I did try a male mode/female mode clone shot, but it wasn’t very satisfactory; I’ll post it if I can edit it to a level I’m happy with. The trickiest part was going from beardy bloke to girl mode between shots – surprisingly it only took me about 20-25 minutes, but I skimped on a lot of the preparation knowing that it was only for photographs rather than a ‘real-world’ outing
a great experiment
I can see the ‘men are men, women are women’ perspective, but I don’t think it inherently implies men are going to like wearing suits and loafers and women are going to like long hair and skirts. To me, expectations of outward appearance is socialized and if we were all left to our own devices who KNOWS how we’d choose to appear. That is where I personally see no lines at all. I’ve always worn my real hair boy-short but I love makeup and women’s clothes. That’s just my instinct. And I see no reason why a man shouldn’t enjoy makeup and women’s clothes as much as I do – they are fabulous! Men’s clothes to me, UGH. Boring. And no makeup to play with? No wigs? How depressing!
Definitely a topic that the thinkers here find interesting. I used to cross-dress for a laugh when I was still in school. Civvies days and just to cause crap at school functions. Even though after a few hours the shock factor wears off and you can experience the feel of different gender clothes, the desire for it never appealed to me.
I do see your attraction to beautiful things, even if they are out of our supposed gender boundaries. I have developed a real fondness or appreciation for handbags, and not that I want to wear one, I really do see the beauty in some of them, and often end up buying them for my girlfriend (no complaints from her)
As long as its the same Alan inside Alan and Rachel and you’re happy I think its a beautiful thing.
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/krayspam/] MareyMercy said:
“To me, expectations of outward appearance is socialized and if we were all left to our own devices who KNOWS how we’d choose to appear.”
This is quite true. If it was socially acceptable for men to wear dresses and skirts, would I do so without the whole wig, boobs and make-up thing as well? I don’t know. At the moment I know I do it partially so that I appear as close as possible in a way that is socially acceptable – if I’m going to wear a dress, society says that I have to look like a woman, or at least attempt to do so. But I also feel that I am releasing part of myself when I make-up and stick on the wig and boobs, so I’m not sure it’s just a cover for wearing frocks. Don’t get me wrong – I’m happy being a bloke. I’d just like the option not to be one from time to time. So I do what I can to fulfil that need.
Personally, I consider gender, sexuality, and gender-specific trappings to all be separate things. I realize they’re interconnected, though, and when you add it societal expectations it makes it really complicated. I think it’s not commonly discussed, but women often struggle with the narrow sexual and gender roles our society thrusts upon them. It amazes me how uncomfortable these topics make people, in general. Who to be? How to be? What does it mean to be what I/we want to be? What will others think? Make my head spin.
I don’t even know where to begin wrapping my head around "a guy as a girl as a guy" so instead of hurting my head thinking about it… I’m just going to say this: I like it. I like that there’s an event where you can totally express yourself like this and I like how you look… as a guy as a girl as a guy in the suit. Though, I’m sure you’re a bit hard on yourself and the suit probably looks just as good on you as a guy =o)
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajbjaeger] : You judge:
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